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Looking Glass Travel and Parallel World

By Allison Chisolm

Karen Turner & Thomas GottschangWhen Thomas Gottschang returned from Vietnam in 1971, he said he had "been through the looking glass." With no decompression time, he went straight from the U.S. Army and the rice paddies of Binh Hoa to the classrooms of Yale. He never imagined those two worlds might intersect. But in 1993, they did, and he went back through the looking glass.

It started with a phone call. In the summer of 1992, a friend from graduate school asked Tom, by then a Holy Cross economics professor researching Chinese economic history, if he would go to Hanoi to teach Vietnamese economics professors about market economies. Funded by the Ford Foundation, the Committee on Economics Education and Research in Vietnam (CEERV) had established a program at the National Economics University in Hanoi to prepare economists for Vietnam's shift from central planning to market reforms, or doi moi.  

Gottschang agreed. After an orientation session in Washington, D.C., later that summer, he flew to Hanoi in February 1993 with Professor Daniel Westbrook of Georgetown University,  for a four-month stay. As an American veteran of the Vietnam War, Gottschang was nervous about his first trip to Hanoi, former capital of North Vietnam and target of thousands of American bombs. "I wasn't going back. I was going for the first time," he says. "I'd never been to Hanoi before. I would have felt differently going into Saigon." Once in Hanoi, however, his identity was that of economics professor, not former soldier. 

"I was there to teach," he says. 

Econ 101 for Marxists
He had his work cut out for him. His students had never studied the behavior of a market economy in action. They had all been trained in Marxist economics, many in the Soviet Union or in Eastern Europe. A 1994 survey of program participants (prior to enrollment) revealed they were unfamiliar with such basic economic terms as "exchange rate," "supply and demand," or "Gross Domestic Product (GDP)." At one point, he recalls, "I had to draw a picture of what a check looked like." Gottschang taught in English through interpreters, but his Vietnamese, first learned at the U.S. Army language school in Monterey, Calif., improved over time with tutoring.  

As a senior research fellow with Harvard's East Asian Legal Studies Program, Karen Turner never thought her work on Chinese legal texts would lead her to Vietnam. But, by the time she joined Tom in Hanoi in April 1993, she had developed a plan to learn more about the legal status of women in Vietnam for a comparative study with China. She found, however, that most people did not want to talk about law. Instead, they wanted to discuss what women did in the "American War." Turner began to hear North Vietnamese women's war stories. "This became my passion," she says. 

That was their first of several trips. Gottschang became the long-distance director of the CEERV program while continuing to teach at Holy Cross. He went back to Hanoi twice a year between 1993 and 1996, when funding for the program ended. During that time, Turner read up on Vietnam's history of women warriors, dating back to 40 A.D. For the program's final semester in the spring of 1996, Gottschang volunteered to teach again. This time, Turner came for the entire time with a focused research agenda. She planned to transform those stories into a book. 

It's a Country, Not a War. 
After eight visits to Vietnam, Gottschang feels that the still-Communist country is struggling for a new identity in the global marketplace. From 1993 to 1996, he says, "there was a tremendous amount of change in Hanoi and Saigon" (now officially called Ho Chi Minh City), but the rural areas benefited less from the new economic changes. And yet, while still very poor, Vietnam's annual per capita GDP is $320, ahead of other developing countries like Bangladesh or Nepal. With a market approach, he says, Vietnam has become the third largest exporter of rice in the world. 

Although the CEERV program ended in 1996, the need for training more economists and government policy makers and analysts continues, as Gottschang noted in a paper published shortly after his departure. In order for Vietnam's shift to a market economy to succeed, more people - especially those able to train others - need to understand the underlying principles involved. One stumbling block is the need for visiting faculty. As a committee member evaluating Fulbright applicants, Gottschang says it remains difficult to persuade Americans to come to Vietnam. 

"It's really sad," he says, "as Vietnam is far more interesting than some places people apply to in droves. It's still seen as 'the country we lost the war to.' Americans need to see Vietnam as a country, not a war." 
Many of Vietnam's trading partners were at one point its enemies, says Gottschang, namely France, China, Japan, Cambodia and the United States. It seems easier for the Vietnamese than Americans to separate what happened to individuals from what governments have done. "Most Vietnamese are practicing Buddhists," Gottschang comments. "They see things in a more detached way, with a longer-term perspective." 

Home in Hanoi  
What drew these two China experts to Vietnam? Beyond serendipity, says Turner, the simplest answer is "our love for Asia. Between us, Tom and I have spent years in China." Both have had long-term stays there. "Vietnam was a logical extension of that dedication to hard living," she says with a laugh. 

They found Vietnam to be a friendly place, particularly when compared with their experiences in China. Within two days of Gottschang's arrival in Hanoi, he was visiting a Vietnamese home. In contrast, during 18 months in Beijing in the mid-1980s, he was rarely invited to the homes of Chinese friends for fear "the neighbors would complain" about politically suspect American guests. 

In Hanoi, he found it helped to have a Vietnamese friend act as an intermediary, particularly when looking for housing. A friend (and later collaborator with Turner, journalist Phan Thanh Hao) helped Tom and his colleague Dan Westbrook find a house to rent in downtown Hanoi. When it was time to sign the contract, his landlady entertained the two professors and an official from the Hanoi Housing Bureau with tea and cookies. Tom and Dan signed the contract, and as required, the landlady gave the official half the first month's rent. After he left, Tom and Dan signed a second contract, just between the landlady and themselves, for $200 more per month! 

Living on a residential street in central Hanoi brought the Americans into daily contact with Vietnamese families, merchants, and street vendors. They received an intimate introduction to Hanoi street life along with practice in conversational Vietnamese, since most Hanoi residents spoke no English. By 1996, if they missed American food they could find a Baskin Robbins ice cream parlor in downtown Hanoi, not far from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison, once used for American prisoners of war and now replaced by an actual high-rise hotel. 

Gottschang's fears of being an American in former enemy territory were finally laid to rest, he says, when he walked by an old man in a North Vietnamese army uniform one evening in 1993. 

"He was carrying his granddaughter and stopped to ask if we were Russian," Gottschang recalls. "When I said we were American, he replied, 'Oh, Americans - We used to be enemies, but now we are friends. I'm so glad you are here.'" 

Balancing Two Worlds 
The specters of the war haunted Turner when she returned from Vietnam. As an experienced historian of China, however, she recognized that the long history of conflict between China and Vietnam would color her colleagues' response to her new research topic. She was reluctant to make a complete shift from her years of studying classical Chinese law to examining the role of women in war in 20th-century Vietnam. So she chose to work in both fields, attempting a difficult balancing act. 

One week, she says, she would speak at Harvard about early Chinese law texts. The next week would find her at Northeastern discussing the role of Vietnamese women in war. 

"I felt a kind of missionary zeal about it," she says about her Vietnamese research. 

For both Turner and Gottschang, work has always involved travel to far-flung places, coupled with family compromises. But when Turner began her studies of Chinese history in the early 1970s, China was still closed to foreign visitors. That changed in 1979, when Turner joined the first contingent of American exchange students for a year's stay in Beijing. Unlike most graduate students, however, she left behind two teenage daughters and their stepfather, her husband, Tom Gottschang. 

"It was hard on the whole family," says Turner. "There was virtually no mail. It would take two weeks to arrive and then it would be read by the Chinese and blacked out. My letters were censored. We talked on the telephone only twice all year." 

To the Chinese, however, Turner's lengthy separation from her family was the natural thing to do. In China, she explains, "The family is an economic unit, so you do what's best for the family, and that may involve long-term travel away from them." 

For Turner, the opportunity to be one of the first Western academics to research classical Chinese legal texts in China itself was too great to pass up. When she left the United States, Gottschang was in the job market, looking for a teaching position in economics. While Karen lived in a Beijing University dormitory, he moved the family from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor to Worcester. Gottschang started as an instructor at Holy Cross in September 1979. 

Market Forces and Changing Fields 
Gottschang and Turner first met in Yale's intensive Asian Studies program in 1971. He had just returned from "one year and 12 days" in Vietnam in an Army intelligence unit. Although deeply affected by the war, he was ready to get on with his life back home. They both labored to master the intricacies of the Chinese language, as both planned careers in Chinese history. But after they married in 1973, the harsh realities of the academic job market sank in and Tom changed direction. 

"I'd known since my senior year in college that I wanted to work on China," he said. "But I knew there was no chance of finding two Chinese history jobs near one another, so I switched from history to economics." 

"Tom was very brave to change disciplines," Turner says. "With two kids and no money, he had to make himself more marketable." The graduate school at the University of Michigan allowed him to work in both economics and history. He holds a master's degree in economics, and a doctorate in economics and history. 

His Holy Cross job was ideal, as the Worcester area has many colleges where Karen might teach when she returned. Equally important, Gottschang said, "We both needed to be within range of good Asian libraries to finish our dissertations." Harvard's Yenching Library has been "a wonderful resource, and very welcoming," he said. And they both became research associates at the Fairbank Center for East Asian Research at Harvard. 

Gottschang received his doctorate in 1982, and Turner completed hers in 1983. They spent the next 10 years expanding their knowledge of their respective disciplines. Gottschang worked on the social and political aspects of modern Chinese economic history, particularly migrations in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Turner continued to explore early Chinese law ("early" in Chinese terms means fourth century B.C. through the second century A.D.) and how ordinary people interacted with the state. 

Gottschang, who became an associate professor at Holy Cross in 1987, was named economics department chair in 1997. Turner joined the department of history in 1987 after directing the Office of International Studies for the 1986-87 academic year. By 1997, she had made many more trips to China and was promoted to full professor. Both helped to found the now-flourishing Asian Studies program, established at Holy Cross in the late 1980s. Today, Holy Cross features one of the strongest Asian studies faculties among nationally-ranked liberal arts colleges. The program is staffed by professors whose specialties range from the performing arts to the social sciences, history, religious studies, and language. Housed within the Center for Interdisciplinary and Special Studies (CISS), the program currently affords students the opportunity to design their own multidisciplinary major. 

Turner and Gottschang relish the opportunity to bring their Asian experiences into the classroom. Among other courses, Gottschang offers an honors seminar on the Vietnam War, while Turner runs a comparative seminar on women and family in China and Vietnam. Their classes often enroll Asian-American students, and they occasionally find themselves sharing information about North Vietnam with children of South Vietnamese veterans (see sidebar). 

Back to Vietnam 
After her first visit to Vietnam in 1993, Turner hoped that her next stay would be longer. She got her wish: Turner spent four months in Vietnam in 1996 as well as the month of January 1997, recording the oral histories of women who had played a multitude of roles during the American War. The women lived underground for months or years, running communications networks or guarding munitions caches. They transformed a jungle trail into a major transport artery between North and South Vietnam. They shot at U.S. bombers while repairing bomb-cratered roads. 

Her research subjects, she recalls, were not always ready to talk about such sensitive memories. More than once she took a last-minute night ride on the back of a motorcycle to a borrowed house to meet someone who had relented and agreed to share a personal story with her, even though she was American. Once back in Worcester, she worked hard to publish those accounts quickly. 

Turner's book, Even the Women Must Fight: Memories of War from North Vietnam, was published in April 1998, and is due out in paperback this spring. According to Gottschang, this was the "closest we've come to real collaboration." Particularly because his war experience was in an intelligence section charged with identifying North Vietnamese units, his military knowledge helped a great deal. 

"I first told Karen about the women in the North Vietnamese army," says Gottschang. "At some point years ago I told her about a diary I'd seen written by a member of the 'Bravo 8 slash 3,' the B8/3 female mortar platoon" named for March 8, International Women's Day. After the members of the platoon had been killed, U.S. intelligence received the women's papers and had them translated. 

But as a veteran, Turner says, "Tom couldn't bear to go with me" to meet the Vietnamese women veterans face-to-face. It wasn't always easy for Turner either. After an evening spent hearing the extent of their personal sacrifices, she says, "I'd come home so disturbed, I couldn't sleep." 

Turner's research went far beyond personal histories. She reviewed creative literature, letters, diaries, poetry, and Party and army reports obtained by American soldiers. She also uncovered military records kept by men on the Ho Chi Minh Trail and memoirs of soldiers and journalists who observed women's service. Television programs and films produced in Vietnam in the past decade helped her develop new perspectives on wartime experiences. 

With a title taken from the proverb, "When war strikes close to home, even the women must fight," the book chronicles women's experiences during the war and its aftermath. After the United States intensified its air campaign in 1965, Ho Chi Minh asked for all-out volunteer support, including young women and previously exempt men (only sons, Catholics and other minority group members). Nearly 200,000 joined up, and some say this tipped the balance for North Vietnam's eventual victory. Most women came through the Volunteer Youth Corps, limited to those 17 and older, but many girls lied and joined up as young as 13, eager to avenge dead family members or simply to leave home. Large numbers of young people worked in the jungle to maintain the Ho Chi Minh Trail, a lifeline and "human conveyor belt" between the North and South for men, munitions and food. 

"They always wanted to talk about someone who had suffered more," Turner recalls. "They would start with the loss of their health - the sad effects of malnutrition, Agent Orange and jungle diseases." Malaria, a constant threat, could mean losing one's hair, hearing, eyesight, even one's sanity. 

In the tumult of reintegrating into postwar society nearly a million disabled soldiers, the Vietnamese government overlooked women's war labors and the toll it took on their lives. They have never been recognized as veterans, nor has Vietnam's military bureaucracy adequately acknowledged the contributions made by so many young female volunteers. 

"These women put down their guns and went back to their villages and were never heard from again," says Turner. "This is more than research. It's an international issue." 

Vietnamese reaction to the book, translated into Vietnamese by Turner's official collaborator, journalist Phan Thanh Hao, and published partially in newspapers, was mixed among women. "Some were resentful that an American wrote their story," says Turner. "Others were happy to have their story told at last." 

According to Turner, reading the women's stories has struck a chord with many American veterans groups, who sympathize with their tales of post-traumatic stress. 

For veteran Gottschang, however, Vietnam today is no longer a struggling enemy nation. "We see things differently," says Turner. "Tom sees a lot of hope and progress, while I worked with the disenfranchised and see more pessimism."

Will Vietnam figure in their future research projects?  Turner says there is still a lot she wants to write about Vietnam. Gottschang would enjoy the opportunity to return, but has no immediate plans to go there. Whatever their decision, it is likely to include some way to help the Vietnamese people heal after years of civil unrest. 

As Turner and Gottschang have found all too clearly, "It's hard to go to Vietnam and not want to do something.

"A Search for Self Far From Home" Sidebar >

Allison Chisolm is a free-lance journalist living in Worcester.  

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